"The Incredible Hulk" TV Series on DVD on: April 28, 2012, 11:47
I loved this show as a kid. In fact, until Todd McFarlane started doing the artwork years later, I liked it a lot more than the comic book version.
The entire series was apparently compiled in a 20 DVD set (running time over 60 hours). That's far more than I will ever watch, I'm sure. But I just bought this "Incredible Hulk The Complete Series" DVD set on ebay (new) for $27 (incl. shipping), despite it having a retail price of $120.
Other similar sets (all 'new') have sold on ebay for a similar amount in recent days, I noticed. This was such an insanely good deal that I thought I'd mention it here, in case anyone else might be interested in picking up a set themselves. (I see that an Amazon re-seller has it listed for $33. So this 'horse pill' of a DVD set must not've sold very well.)
Re: "The Incredible Hulk" TV Series on DVD on: June 22, 2012, 07:33
It's taken me a couple of months, but I've managed to watch all the episodes from season one and the first few from season two, about 20 in total.
I loved this show as a kid, so I am probably biased. But I've been amazed by how good most of the episodes are.
I had been really underwhelmed when I'd re-watched other vintage TV shows like The A-Team and Miami Vice. So I was girded for disappointment. But these Incredible Hulk episodes from 1977-1978 have been much, much better than I expected. It's also been very interesting to see 1970s footage of many famous places in these episodes. Times Square and Las Vegas were each notably different 35 years ago. It was striking to see the dirty, run down, salacious Times Square of my youth. (The fugitive Banner works as a janitor in an 'arcade' there in one episode.)
Granted, there are some patterns that become very clear when you watch so many episodes over just a couple of months: like the fact that Banner experiences a very predictable two 'Hulk-outs' per episode (without exception).
The DVD set also contained, as a 'bonus feature,' an interview with the show's creator, Kenneth Johnson. He explains that the show was very intentionally not 'super heroic.' Rather, he took the concept of the Hulk comic book character and modified it significantly by adding elements of Robert Louis Stevenson's Dr. Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde (i.e. the Hulk is a monstrous Mr. Hyde who can't speak, and is the result of Banner's own experimentation on himself) and Victor Hugo's Les Miserables (i.e. Banner is a 'wanted man' on the run, chased by his own Inspector Javier- in this case a relentless tabloid reporter).
Re: "The Incredible Hulk" TV Series on DVD on: June 23, 2012, 02:30
Thanks for the amazing analysis, Dan. I was never a huge fan of this show, but I think most of us have at least one of those old "guilty pleasure" shows from our past that it's fun to revisit now that we're older. It's nice when you can still find quality in these older works.
I especially appreciate that you give such good and concise descriptions of stuff. Just a couple of days ago I saw a trailer for the new Hollywood (laden with stars) version of Les Miserables that's coming out soon, and I'd meant to do a Google search to find out what it's about (as I had no idea of even the basic premise, and it was hard to tell even after viewing the trailer); your description provided enough to satisfy my curiosity.
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Re: "The Incredible Hulk" TV Series on DVD on: June 23, 2012, 08:50
Thanks Doug!
I was accidentally introduced to Les Miserables as a kid in the late 1970s, when I found myself reluctantly watching a TV adaptation of it (probably on PBS) out of sheer boredom on some quiet weekend afternoon. (Ah, the days when we only had four TV channels, so lazy kids like me occasionally got force-fed culture on TV.) Despite being set in France in the 1800s, I found myself getting into the epic story as it went along.
The main character is a French peasant named Jean Valjean. He ends up spending, like, 15 years in prison after stealing a loaf of bread to feed his starving family. Upon his release, he's bitter about the harshness of his sentence and feels rejected by the world (as an ex-con) until he's shown surprising kindness by a village bishop. This experience affects him deeply, and he vows to turn over a new leaf. Valjean moves to a new town, takes on a new name, and reinvents himself entirely. The story flashes forward years later and Valjean is now a successful factory owner and mayor of this small town (under a new name). But then one of his former prison guards, Inspector Javier, appears, and begins to suspect that this rich, respectable mayor of this small French town is really ex-con Jean Valjean. The story goes on from there, detailing many, many twists and turns (involving many other characters) over a couple more decades until Jean Valjean's death. It was pretty depressing, but was, I thought (even as a kid), an interesting dramatic analysis of whether it really is possible to escape your past and be truly redeemed.
Re: "The Incredible Hulk" TV Series on DVD on: June 23, 2012, 17:05
Dan,
Out of all the 'classics' Les Miserables is my favorite, ever since I heard 'Bring Him Home' sung by a young solo performer at Univ. of Memphis.
The only other music that touched me like that - I mean, made my heart ache - was the music from the ending credits of The Incredible Hulk. That 'Moonlight Sonata'-esque singular voice of the piano as Banner walks away HURT each week - and made THIS kid of 13 understand the isolation of a good man who made a bad decision ONCE.
I had a bud who'd watch the show and of course, we'd get together to geek out about it the next day. "Hey man, you know what? My grandmother watches it too!"
I was surprised as a boy, but now, years later, I understand. Banner was a monk/a doctor/an avenging angel all wrapped up in one. Furthermore, the show had an element that most fantasy adventures don't like to handle: the terrible responsibility of consequences of actions.
In a strange sense, it was more 'real' than many shows in this regard. By having one element of fantasy, the writers had to work harder to make the rest honest and emotionally real - as real as TV shows get anyway.
Here's two links to the music and heart-breaking pathos that filled both Les Mis and The Incredible Hulk.
By the way, one memory I have of watching The Incredible Hulk from 7-8 on CBS Friday nights was this: I would sit and watch to the VERY end of the credits, just to hear this theme. To the last note. It was part of the show to me, as important as the singular episode itself.
Re: "The Incredible Hulk" TV Series on DVD on: June 24, 2012, 08:44
Quote from Justice on June 23, 2012, 17:05The only other music that touched me like that - I mean, made my heart ache - was the music from the ending credits of The Incredible Hulk.
I really liked this "Lonely Man" theme from the end of the Incredible Hulk TV show, too Justice. A very evocative piece. I noticed that, when I did a search on ebay for "Incredible Hulk TV show," one of the items that turned up most commonly was piano sheet music for that composition.(Presumably for young boys learning to play the piano in the 1970s?)
Before I started watching this DVD collection, I really only remembered three things about the show (which I'd liked so much as an elementary school kid): (i) that famous line in the opening credits, "don't make me angry, you wouldn't like me when I'm angry," (ii) the "Hulk-Out" transformations into the Incredible Hulk, and (iii) the image of Banner hitch-hiking down some country road at the end of every episode, with that "Lonely Man" theme music playing.
On a related note, I was very interested to learn that, before he created the 1977 "Incredible Hulk" TV show, Kenneth Johnson worked on "The Six Million Dollar Man," another show I think both you and I liked a lot.
Re: "The Incredible Hulk" TV Series on DVD on: June 24, 2012, 08:55
Quote from Justice on June 23, 2012, 17:05 In a strange sense, it was more 'real' than many shows in this regard. By having one element of fantasy, the writers had to work harder to make the rest honest and emotionally real - as real as TV shows get anyway.
Having watched the later, 1980s "Incredible Hulk" TV movies a while back, which very unsuccessfully featured Thor and Daredevil, I think on hindsight there's a huge amount of truth in what you say about this original 1970s TV show, Justice.
Perhaps knowing that they didn't have the technology (or budget) to really visualize a comic book super hero on TV in 1977, the show's producers seemingly elected to 'scale down' the Hulk himself and to center the plots around the human dramas of supporting characters.
Watching the series again now, I got the sense that many of the scripts could have been for any TV 'movie of the week,' and that the writers for the "Incredible Hulk" TV show merely revised them to insert David Banner as a character and add (the obligatory) two "Hulk Outs."
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